Wednesday, July 30, 2008

Sax and violins

I've been stewing on a question for the past week or so, ever since Jeff wrote praising the new Batman movie and Brant posted pretty much the opposite (twice).

Please note - I have not seen the movie, nor will I. I am not into such things. So I am going to take it to a meta-level and ask that you follow me there. So in the following we're not talkin' 'bout Batman, 'k? So I am not dissing nor discussing that particular movie, 'k?

Here's the deal I've been thinking about - Brant's original post seemed to be pretty simple. Batman, for whatever else it may have in it, apparently had a lot of violence. My wondering started with, "Is it ever OK, as a Christian, to watch violence as entertainment? Ever?"

Just for the record, after due consideration my answer is, "No. Never."

Here's why. We're supposed to love people, and love peace, and bring that love of people and peace to the world. How can we do that if we love violence so much we want to fill our heads with it? If we watch ever-more-gory-and-realistic violence in our movies and play it in our computer games? Sure, I already know where you're argument's going to go - "But that's just entertainment! It's just on the screen! It's not real! It doesn't affect me, I just watch it for fun."

That is your argument, isn't it? 's'OK - it's everyone's argument in this culture whenever someone brings up violence on TV or in the movies or in video games (anyone reading this into first-person shooter games? WoW?) or even, God forbid, football (and hockey, and basketball). So let's think about that for a minute. If I accept that someone (you specifically - adult, mature, well-balanced, mentally healthy you) can watch something violent for pure entertainment and it doesn't affect them and how they think, then that immediately leads me to another conclusion.

Porn must be OK.

Now, I am not talking about porn where either participant is coerced, or underage, or not of my species or anything on the fringes like that. I am talking about two (or more) consenting adults goin' at it in graphic heterosexual detail, period. Hey, it appears lots of married people even like to film themselves and post it on the Internet as "amateur porn" - digital exhibitionism and all that. So, let's use that very example - married couples just "spicing up" their sex life by displaying recordings of their intimacy for others to see. What can be wrong with watching that, eh?

Because after all, it's just entertainment, right? It doesn't change who we are, or how we think, or how we view others, right? Right?

"Oh, wait," I hear someone say. "Porn is different." Why? "Because it's about sex." Yes? "And sex is a special act, and it is about relationships with other people, and it is visceral and really affects us at a subconscious level." OK, I can accept all that.

So what makes violence different?

Violence is a special act. Violence is about relationships with other people. Violence is visceral and really affects us at a subconscious level. Huh. I guess I don't see the difference.

So here's where I am at on the subject of violence in entertainment. I watch some violence in movies. Mostly in movies I have seen before and know where and what level the violence is at. I have been consciously trying to avoid introducing new violent scenes into my head over the past five years or so, no matter how "good" the movie may be. So no Saving Private Ryan, for example. No Batman, either. Actually, it is part of the reason I didn't finish the second two installments of Lord of the Rings, even. Because I really do believe violence affects us. It reprograms us. And I don't think that reprogramming is a Good Thing for Christians to have in their heads. Any more than the raw, impersonal sex in porn is good for us. I certainly don't think it's good for me to have in my head. It's not a morality thing - I don't think you'll necessarily go to Hell for having seen the Blade trilogy. It's a practical thing. I can't think "peace" if I keep filling my head with violent images.

I started going down this thought process very slowly almost three decades ago, when I saw my first David Cronenberg movie. David Lynch movies then accelerated my thinking about it. Because no matter how good I thought those movies were (and they were), there were scenes in them where I could literally feel, almost in real time, my brain changing. Images that appeared so quickly that there was no way to filter them out - I couldn't even close my eyes fast enough. And now they're in my head forever. I would've never thought about the situations portrayed in them if I hadn't seen them, and now they will always be a part of me. I don't think I like that. No, in fact I am sure I don't like that.

So starting sometime around 1999-2000 I started getting much more careful about what I watched (and read, but reading's easier to stop before you go too far - today's modern quick-cut movie editing makes it almost impossible to anticipate when they're going to implant a brain worm). And this post is written to ask you to think about it, too. I am not telling you to stop playing computer games or watching Batman movies. Who am I to set myself up as your judge? All I am saying is perhaps, just perhaps, each of us needs to carefully think about and choose what we are going to mentally ingest. That's all. Just think about it. Because you don't get a chance to undo what you see.

Peace.

10 comments:

Jeff McQ said...

Congratulations, bro. You didn't piss me off. :) Totally respect your take on it.

samwrites2 said...

Jim,
You just had to go there, didn't you?
Bravo and well done.
Maybe in the interest of history I could justify "Saving Private Ryan." But by the same token I knew the history by reading WWII books as a lad at the library (even suspecting atrocities on both German and Allies parts depicted in the movie).
So Ryan really didn't do anything but remind me why a lot of my relatives didn't want to speak of any wartime experiences from that war through Vietnam.
My thoughts along your post's line of argument began when I saw my son watching "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" at his mother's home where he lives.
I've controlled his viewing habits since but now you've got me considering the hack and slay computer game he plays called Runescape. I was offended when he used a sword to attack a cow.
Now Cabela's "Big Game Hunter" - that's different.
-Sam

Jim said...

Jeff,

Damn! I am going to have to try harder! :o)

[And I have another post brewing in my Google notebook triggered by something else you wrote.]

Sam,

We let our kids play Harry Potter games on their computers and I am not even comfortable with that, since all they really are are first-person shooter games with a wand in the place of a machine gun.

They get to watch a lot of stuff at their Dad's I am really not happy about. But we do try and control what they watch at our house pretty carefully. Not completely, obviously, but still.

Rich said...

Yeah, what Jeff said!!!

I do find it interesting how we have such poor insight in knowing what is truly 'good or bad (evil).
Just about anyone can come up with what is bad-evil, but imo ANYTHING done independently from our only source of Life is an expression of lawlessness-death, and that encompasses so many respectable things we seem to pride ourselvs in that define me to BE a good person vs an evil one.

Paul Wilkinson said...

Typically, we as Christians along with the broader society in general censor sex far more than we censor violence. I believe the video game culture is adding to the cheapening of human life, and in the U.S. where you have more liberal gun laws, the potential for acting out what's seen in those games and in movies like you mentioned looms larger than in Canada or the U.K.

On the subject of porn; yesterday I uploaded the entire text of my book on the subject:
www.thepornographyeffect.wordpress.com

Jim said...

Rich,

I am really trying to separate my argument from "bad/evil", not because I don't think violence is bad/evil, but that I believe a lot of good people honestly think they can see something violent and not have it affect them. And the argument can be made that some cinematic violence (perhaps "Saving Private Ryan", or what about "The Passion of the Christ"?, which I almost brought up, and no, I haven't seen it, either) can be shown to get people to "get it" and that therefore it can be for good.

Perhaps, but I am not so sure.

Paul,

Saw your post and upload, almost downloaded it, then decided I had too much on my reading stack already. But it does look interesting.

Erin said...

Sorry I missed this, I was at the coast...

While I agree with you, on a "meta level", and generally choose not to watch violence, I wonder what you think about violence in a historical context? Say films about WWII or The Inquisition, for instance? I'm not necessarily talking about films MADE specifically to glorify the violence (think Braveheart), but to convey a realistic portrayal of history? Because some of it was really bad and I'm a person who would rather not have history cleaned up for me.

Jim said...

Erin,

I only have one question - do you REALLY think you need to SEE it? I can remember having nightmares from READING about Eichmann's mobile death squads, the blood bubbling from the quickly bulldozed-over mass graves...Do I need to see the actual bullets rip into the women and children? "Night and Fog" is a gripping documentary about the Holocaust, and to my memory, it shows nothing like this, and is still chilling.

All I am saying (with this post and my one on tribalism) is we must be CAREFUL what we introduce into our brains. Our modern sensibilities tell us it's all just "media" - images, sounds - and it can't harm us. But sometimes I think our ancestors were smarter. They realized the power of such things, and ruled certain things off limits, completely. They labeled it crudely, perhaps - sin, witchcraft, whatever. But now we can label it in a more refined matter and it still ends up being something that perhaps, just perhaps, we don't need to ingest if it isn't forced on us by reality.

I'm just sayin'.

Erin said...

I get what you're saying, Jim. I hate violence in the movies and TV, I'm not one of these people who watches Saw or something.

But sometimes when watching the History channel about an important part of humanity's past...well, I think we as human beings need to know how rotten we can be. I think it helps prevent WWIII. So yes, in my opinion in that sense, we DO need to see it.

J. Stephens said...

The Bible is an extremely violent book, so if I find the Bible entertaining, is that wrong?

Paralleling violent films to porn is quite a stretch. We have God's word telling us 'do not commit adultery' and then also 'if you look on a woman with lust you have already sinned in your heart.' So porn is clearly sin. Violence on the other hand is never condemned, as far as I know. We are told not to take pleasure in another's suffering, but I don't think that applies to someone pretending to suffer. We are also told not to act out of anger, so if a film causes you to do so then it may fall into the 'stumbling block' category, but that doesn't make the film itself sinful.

I'm curious, with your perspective on violence, what is your opinion of The Passion?