Your Father's other family
Lyn recently posted "that some churches are so consumed with their programs that they forget to get outside those doors and be in the community around them." I fear that is certainly the case with my church, and my feeble attempts to get interest in mission work built up there doesn't seem to get very far. The congregation as a whole are basically all lifetime members of that church and that denomination, and are there for the "church as club" experience (with some notable exceptions). Or perhaps better put, "church as family", that is, the people you hang out with because you're supposed to, and whose events you go to because you feel you have to.
Then in Dan's blog he posted about an attempt to build some spontaneous community at his church on the 4th of July and how it didn't go as he planned. In my rather lengthy comments to that post I wrote:
"We are commanded to be in fellowship with each other, and that may be the hardest thing to do. It seems like it is easier in some weird sense to do missional work and love someone you don't know, like a homeless person at a food pantry, who obviously needs help and care, than to have to be friends with fellow congregants who we kinda sort know, flaws and alls, and with whom we are thrust together solely through the accident of which church we attend. It's like the old saw about family being that group of people who, when you have to go there, they have to let you in (whether they want to or not, and whether you want to go or not). I think a lot of us feel the same way about church."
Finally, while volunteering at the food pantry, the organist for our church showed up to help one day. I didn't know him or that he was our organist until we were making small talk, since I attend a small contemporary service on Sunday evenings that operates sans organ. Turns out that while he plays organ for our church, he is not a member, nor even in our denomination. Instead, he attends (somehow) another church in town. Huh. So I guess the organ thing is just a gig for him - whether for pay or strictly volunteer I am not sure, and it doesn't matter.
So where am I going with all this? I have been thinking lately about why do we feel we have to go or be involved in just one church? Unless we think that somehow Christ only shows up at "our" one single church each Sunday, why do we feel constrained to limit our involvement to only one group of people in the body of Christ?
For some, the answer will be denominational prejudice, but I've already written about what I think about that. For others, it will be a longing for continuity, or a sense of loyalty, or the comfort of the known, or the feeling of community. From the viewpoint of the church itself, I frankly think the answer will be money (tithes) and membership numbers. They won't want to "share" members (or offerings), as if anyone that shows up in their pews is "theirs" anyway - we and all we have are all owned by our Father.
My family goes to the church we do for a variety of reasons. It's closer than our last church. It is friendly and much less fractious than our last church. It has a great contemporary service that is small and very family-centric. But frankly the number one reason is that it is the denomination in which my wife grew up, and she feels the most comfortable (and loyal) to that, and agrees with their doctrine. As for me, I chafe a bit at some of the views and values, but ultimately it doesn't matter that much to me. They are good people, if a bit inward focused, and I am happy to go, and to volunteer to do the Web site. I don't believe in "church shopping." And it makes my wife happy, and that's good enough for me.
But that doesn't mean I do believe that I have to just be involved in that one church, either. If it doesn't have any missional activity that I can be involved with, and if the odds of such a thing happening are low, then instead of spending energy trying to get something like that off the ground and perhaps just getting frustrated and annoyed, I can simply help other churches that are doing real mission work. They won't get me as a tithing confessional member, but they will get my free labor, and most churches needing volunteers will be happy enough with that. I am already involved in two food pantry efforts, and both are run by other denominations. I am also considering going on a Katrina clean-up and rebuilding mission this September (yes, these are still going on, and yes, there's still a need), which is being sponsored by the church running one of the food pantries I help.
Does anyone see any reason why such a course is wrong? Does anyone think we're required not just to be "of the body", but to always attend only a single congregation? Even my father-in-law, an elder in his church, goes to other churches (and denominations) worship services from time to time, just to hear different ministers and pastors, and to probably gain some insight into how different congregations are "running the business". But I am not talking about that. While I think that's OK, too, from the vantage point of gaining perspective and avoiding mindless attendance and ritualism, it is a bit like flipping the channel on the TV, a "Let's see what else is playing at the other theaters this weekend", church-as-entertainment approach. A fine thing to do, as long as you don't make a habit of it. Instead, my question is does anyone have any objections to being actually and actively involved in more than one church at once? And if so, why?
As always, comments appreciated.
10 comments:
Your organist brought back memories of a church we worked for 10 years ago, their organist wasn't a Christian, he just loved playing the organ - he still plays for them today! I have to think more about the church thing. We quite happily go to services at different churches - personally I wouldn't have the time to be really involved in more than one, but I see what you are saying in terms of missional. I'll write more later once I've pondered a bit more.
Jim,
I've been thinking about this. Not sure how to respond. I think it's definitely different in a small church like mine (60-100) than in a bigger church. The community dynamics are different.
For instance, when I first came to my present church, we had an organist who played here, but then left and went to another church to "attend." It was really a sore subject for a lot of people because she always made a big deal when she was leaving to go to the other church, and it made everyone at our smaller church feel like we were the poor pitiful church and she was making a big sacrifice to come and help us out. I finally told her to make a choice - either be a part of our "community" and continue to play the organ, or just go and we'll get by. She got pretty ticked and thought we'd be begging to get her back. It's interesting that we almost immediately had a band form and no longer even used the organ.
But... I don't know that that means someone can't participate in more than one church. I just think you've got to be careful of the "community" element when doing so. It can be fractured pretty easily in a smaller church.
Lots to think about here.
peace,
dh
Lyn, I look forward to your comments.
Dan, I agree (I think) that it probably is different for a smaller church. But here's the twist - I am fine with my current church in terms of "community" and fellowship. So I am not looking for that from another church (but I will find some in the other church(es) anyway, because volunteering is a great way to build community - I don't think we're under any quota where we can only have community with one group of people).
What I AM looking for is mission, in which our church severely lags, and where the inertia and inward focus is such that it just isn't worth the effort and frustration to try and battle to get something in place. Especially when other churches already have programs in place, so I just want to go and help them.
But again, I know from your blog that a smaller church has issues with the importance of community being key to the very church's survival (a loss of one family can be a significant percentage of the congregation size). I guess I would classify our church as "medium" - I think the total membership is probably under 1,000, but the average Sunday attendance of all three services combined is in the 300-500 range.
I obviously still need de-churching as my thoughts are split in two! The institutionalized church part of me says "No, you belong to one church and you should encourage them to be more missional." The missional side of me says "Go for it!" We are to be in Christian communites, it doesn't say in the bible that we have to be in our own little church groups. The body of Christ should work together in unity, and if that means some of us attend more than one church/gathering then the church should celebrate and support that. Again, I think it comes down to relationships etc. I know of people who do go to one gathering on a Sunday morning, and then to another gathering either in the evening or mid week - it works for them. Dan has made a good point, it doesn't pay to rub peoples noses in it if you do go to another church.
Hey Jim,
check out this article I wrote, it might give you some different perspective on this. http://jon.lifeshapedfaith.com/?page_id=127
jon (lyn's husband)
Lyn and Jon, thanks for your comments.
Lyn, I think some of what I am trying to get at is in Jon's post, and since he's your husband, I presume you've read it. :-) Another point I want to make is this - what if I had said "I plan on volunteering for an organization that does excellent social work but that is secular? Would that threaten my involvement with my church?" I think most people would answer, "No". So what makes being volunteering for mission activities at another church different? I think the answer to some extent is that we take the "bride of Christ" metaphor too far, and make the church OUR bride, too, and then any involvement with another church is like we're "cheating" on our church. I don't think that's a valid viewpoint at all.
Jon, I agree with what you've written to a point. The nit I would pick is where you write "Will it emerge through structure? I doubt it. It will emerge as together we cry out 'what is God doing here?' When together we answer His call." Now, if you mean will it emerge through the structure of a denomination or formal organization, then yes, I agree - it won't. But I think there needs to be some local structure or organization or project to rally around.
Your own post points to the event at Bournemouth, where while the mission event itself may not have been successful, the project of the mission event brought people together from all different churches and that was good. Similarly here with the ministerial council I attend (even though I am just a lay person). The structure is loose and simple - lunch once a month at a church (hosting rotates), hear someone from a local charity speak, discuss what can be done by churches in the area to help. Simple structure, all local, with no denominational hierarchical politics. It is facilitated by the United Way, but all they do really is organize where it's going to be and who is going to speak and then step out of the way. And attending my very first meeting I found out about the new mobile food bank being started and was able to volunteer its first weekend. Perfect.
Yep, agree with your points Jim.
Hi Jim, i found my way here via Lyn's blog. Thoughtful post, thank you.
Personally i don't see any problem visiting other churches - if i wanted to take part in another community as well then i think i would have to commit to serving and giving and being part of them as well. That is a commitment to join in rather than just come along and consume something more fun that they are doing. I guess that level of commitment/involvemnt caps how much i can participate in other churches as part of them...
Of course the other thought i had is what about partnering, in actually coming together as different churches and supporting each others programmes/projects/missions? We do something like that with the churches in our town for kids, we have so many kids at our church that we joke our contribution to the event is the kids, whereas others provide venue, helpers, equipment etc...
Paul, thanks for the comment.
Interestingly enough, at least within my denomination, all the local church advertise each other's events in their weekly bulletins (and on our Web sites). If another church (of the denomination) is having a bake or rummage sale, or an open house, or some other special event, we all give each other equal press. Meaning that they don't see any threat whatsoever in fellowship and participation in events at other churches within the denomination. Part of that is probably because these churches all share in two parochial schools, so everyone's kids are going to the same schools regardless of which church they're attending.
As Webmaster I've taken the liberty of extending this to advertising mission events put on by other churches, such as the mobile food pantry. And my pastor supports this - he encourages us to volunteer at such things, and I don't think there's any jealousy there at all. He's drawn a line where he thinks our church needs to focus, but that doesn't mean he tries to restrict our outside activities around volunteering, mission and the like. Per your comment about partnering, that's where I've been tapped to attend the ministerial council, etc.
So then my real pondering in this post is a twist on your comment, "if i wanted to take part in another community as well then i think i would have to commit to serving and giving and being part of them as well". Instead, my point is "as I commit to serving and giving, then I become a part of another community [and is that a bad thing?]" My answer is that it is a fine thing, but I have seen some interesting points of view from the comments, including how it could be different for a small church, and of course as you point out the time factor - although I don't think I'm giving enough time to God as it is (I owe him 100%).
Thanks for stopping by!
Jim
great thoughts and thanks for having me :)
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